Resolved - Old HC - Third Stage

[NoSi]

You're able to skip about half of the third stage of Old HC with a somewhat simple momentum jump. Clearly a route not intended by the map creators so many years ago. Possible that some of top times on the map have used this shortcut.
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[picklesthecheeta]

you shouldn't even be able to sprint on that map (Mob parkour).

 

[PurpleEscapade]

you shouldn't even be able to sprint on that map (Mob parkour).

you have sprint on every map, the only thing that gives you no sprint is the old hc challenge

 

[Hex]

You can sprint in Old HC. I don't know if an official decision was ever made to take sprint away, but it's never been talked about to take sprint away. There is the challenge Original Hardcore which makes you do it without sprint, so removing sprint would nullify that, and I'm not sure that's really the point of the map either. It wasn't intended by the map creators no, but neither was health regen, sprinting, or even any level of brightness. That section is bad for skips made possible by sprint. In my opinion patching this would actively make the run worse, because it's already hand-cramp city and making it longer only adds to the strain on the body. It would be justified it was patched though (and I'd be sad :c ) Doing the skip quickly also isn't the easiest thing. It's the only map in there with skips, the rest is just routing.

 

[CreepaShadowz]

You can sprint in Old HC. I don't know if an official decision was ever made to take sprint away, but it's never been talked about to take sprint away. There is the challenge Original Hardcore which makes you do it without sprint, so removing sprint would nullify that, and I'm not sure that's really the point of the map either. It wasn't intended by the map creators no, but neither was health regen, sprinting, or even any level of brightness. That section is bad for skips made possible by sprint. In my opinion patching this would actively make the run worse, because it's already hand-cramp city and making it longer only adds to the strain on the body. It would be justified it was patched though (and I'd be sad :c ) Doing the skip quickly also isn't the easiest thing. It's the only map in there with skips, the rest is just routing.

It's a big enough of a skip thats easy enough to pull off that it should be patched, regardless of what speedrunners have done.

 

[rmanimal]

This time around in my opinion patching a skip like this takes some of the luster away from being a truly nostalgic map, even if the walls patching the skip are made invisible. I'd rather the map be faithful to the original hardcore run it is based off of, considering it's not a skip without sprint. Adding sprint and food regeneration already enables a skip of some sort in 3 of the 5 hardcore maps, and with the 1.13 water physics mechanics in that realm also make things faster. It would be awkward to add anti-skip protection for sprint to a map that is meant to be enjoyed without.

 

[CreepaShadowz]

This time around in my opinion patching a skip like this takes some of the luster away from being a truly nostalgic map, even if the walls patching the skip are made invisible. I'd rather the map be faithful to the original hardcore run it is based off of, considering it's not a skip without sprint. Adding sprint and food regeneration already enables a skip of some sort in 3 of the 5 hardcore maps, and with the 1.13 water physics mechanics in that realm also make things faster. It would be awkward to add anti-skip protection for sprint to a map that is meant to be enjoyed without.

That's kinda self-contradictory. If you want the map (and subsequently the run) to be faithful to original hardcore, then that shortcut shouldn't be possible (as its only possible without sprint). It's also a rather large skip, skipping most of the map and cutting a third off of speedrun times, so its hardly a "minor" skip. It's really not that hard or intruding to block it, barriers or even glass (which would fit aesthetically) would be perfectly fine. I don't see either how it takes away from the nostalgia from the map (I don't think the skip would be nostalgic).

If patching this wipes out the top 3 times, that's not a bad thing. If a skip was abused to get the time, patching it shouldn't be prevented to preserve the times.

EDIT: Also note that the skip is fairly easy to execute.

 

[The_Fire_Ghoul]

I’m in favor of clearing the leaderboard completely and making Old HC as close to the original as possible: no sprint, no food.